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What a horrible language! Just spent ages debugging a if-then-else loop only to find that comparisons of strings don't use if $fred == $jim but instead use if $fred eq $jim and seeing as though $fred was a variable but $jim is actually a fiixed string I had several combinations to get correct before it would work, and I have no reason why using lc($fred) to convert $fred to lowercase didn't work. Unfortunately Demon don't support php or asp on their server so I can't program in these languages (which I know a little more about).